Sunday, March 09, 2008

Corrected and Reflecting

I have deleted a post, actually more of a rant, on the Avery Doninger case, which you can read more about
here. This is yet another case of litigation between parents and schools over disciplinary action taken by the schools. Anyway, I slammed the parents in this case pretty hard. A commenter pointed out that the news articles I had based my post on left out some important facts. And, in a number of areas, he was right. Worse, my tone was harsh and unfair.

I still do not feel this should be viewed as a censorship case. A dispute at school over a battle of the bands event spilled over into a blog post in which a child threw an online tantrum calling school officials "douchebags" and asking people to send mass emails to administration officials. The school responded to the disrspect shown and now it is in litigation - which seems to be the new American way.

My frustration with such issues stems from recent efforts to try to organize volunteers to help out in a local school where discipline is a major problem (think knives, gang assualts, arrests, threats against staff and epidemic rudeness and disrespect). I am hoping to start up after school programs and eventually mentoring type programs.

My emotions on this swing back and forth wildly. On the one hand my heart aches for these kids who are obviously not taught simple manners and civility and have so many problems at home. On the other, I can't resist the urge to think these kids need a good swift kick at times. What is worse is we are a fairly small midwest communtity and you wouldn't think we'd have to deal with so much of this. As for the teachers and school staff, how can they do their real jobs when they are constantly dealing with disrespect, abuse, and even violence? And this is an elementary school.

Sometime's I want to throw up my hands and scream "If the parents would just parent, the school's wouldn't have to." Of course, we are talking about parents who themselves were from less than ideal homes, who deal with economic hardship, addictions, and some are just plain too selfish to invest in their offspring. Government gets involved: courts, family services, social workers, etc, but they cannot hope to deal with the basic moral root of the problem.

For years I've heard people say "you can't legislate morality" and yet that is exactly what we are being forced to do. It seems that without morality, you have no choice but to legislate it, or litigate it. But the moral compass that guides free people to live responsibly and in a civil manner cannot be imposed. So "freedom" becomes divorced from self control and we see the government forced to deal with things that people should have worked out on their own.

In my liberal days I felt that government programs could solve things, and elevate people to a better life. Wealth needed to be redistributed and then we'd see all sorts of social ills disappear. Well, that hasn't happened. Decades of such programs have destroyed families, neighborhoods and schools. Then I became a hard-core conservative and felt that government had failed (still believe that) to deal with these issues and that people need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and if they fail, too bad for them, they had their chance.

Now, I find myself moving into a new perspective. Communities need to solve their own problems by addressing issues government can't and shouldn't. Churches need to take the lead, because they can mobilized the physical and economic resources to meet immediate needs. But, and more importantly, they can build relationships to address the spiritual, emotional and moral needs that are at the heart of poverty, addiction and self gratification without responsibility that leads people to wrongly execute their rights to the detriment of themselves and others.

Well, that pretty much became another rant I guess. I need to keep on guard and not fall back into the judgmental stuff, which is all too easy to do.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

I actually read your post yesterday and found myself agreeing with you until I remembered that there is a lot of information being left out of the story that has been in the news lately.

Anyway, in this case, the parent was actually there and ready to parent. There was an editorial in the newspaper last week about the behavior of the children from this same school at basketball games. Apparently, the person who wrote the editorial was appalled by the words and tone of the cheering fans. She felt they were rude and obnoxious to the opposing team. I think this is much worse behavior than a stray commentary in a blog post and why are not all those students being punished? If the school district has such high standards why are they only used subjectively?
Sometimes I wish the school would just stick to the educating part and let us parents actually parent.

Chris Gingrich said...

Thanks for the comments and for reading. Sorry you had to see that nastiness in the original post.

I agree that the parenting should be left to parents, but the sad reality is that too many parents are failing to do that and leave it to the schools. Unfortunately the schools can't do it effectively. At the same time, if that foundation doesn't exist they can't educate effectively.

It is from family that we learn the basic moral foundation: respect, civility, simple manners, that allow us to function in society. When that foundation is missing, government is forced to play an increased role to regulate behavior that people should be regulating on their own. As I said, we end up trying to legislate or litigate morality. It can't be done and in my opinion the effort is an erosion of freedom.

Bush actually hit it on the head in his second inaugural address when he said: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self." I also like Sarah Josepha Hale's quote: "Rights are liable to be perverted to wrongs, when we are incapable of rightly exercising them."

Aldon Hynes said...

Chris,

I am the person who left the comment on your original post. I am from Connecticut and have followed the case very closely, including attending hearings in both the District and the Appellate courts.

I suspect that we may disagree on many political issue. Yet I have to compliment you on the way you have dealt with this.

I just put up a blog post about your post and my response to it. Modeling Responsible Online Speech. I compliment you there, and go on to present some radical ideas.

I would love to hear your reactions.

Anonymous said...

The court's decision is available here: http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02CTXC/07-03604.PDF

Read it for yourself and decide. The mother says that she was ready to parent, except she actually agreed that the school could discipline her daughter. She just didn't like the outcome. And why didn't she testify? After all, it is her case, not her daughters. Isn't that strange? And where is the father in all this? And did she even punish her daughter?

The judge found that Avery was not a credible witness on page 6 and the post contained vulgar language and inaccurate information. Free speech is one thing, but spreading half-truths and using vulgarities is another thing.

Get the facts and decide for yourself. You might have been right in the first place.

Aldon Hynes said...

Anonymous, as a person who has attended the hearings in both District and the Appellate Court and written extensively about the case, I would like to make several points.

The decision you point to is Judge Kravitz's decision on the preliminary injunction. That is being appealed in the U.S. Appellate Court, with oral arguments heard last week.

My understanding is that Mrs. Doninger did not testify because it was a preliminary injunction where very limited time was provided and that she will testify at the full hearing. So, no, it isn't strange at all. I'm rather disappointed at you for your unsupported assumptions, and yes, she did punish the daughter.

You note that the judge did not find Avery a credible witness. He disregarded the testimony of all of the high school students.

So, there are many problems with the judges initial ruling, including the fact that he managed to produce a thirty four page ruling in forty five minutes after testimony ended. The question of whether or not the blog post had inaccurate information is another part of the appeal. It can be seen as inaccurate only if you play certain semantic games.

There are numerous other problems with the case which I brought up in my response to the initial post.

Much more importantly, there are the issues that Chris has been dealing with. The issue of how does one teach civility. I believe that Chris has done something extremely important in modeling how to promote civility, and I hope he finds ways of dealing with it in his community. From what I've seen, Mrs. Doninger has done good work in teaching her daughter civility and the school administration has failed miserably in its attempts.

The anonymous poster, however, seems to be spreading half-truths in the way that he suggests Ms. Doninger did in her blog post. I actually find Ms. Doninger's original blog post more truthful that the anonymous posters comment.